TWIG 605: Sausage Fingers

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What are your thoughts about today’s show? We’d love to hear from you!

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It isn’t necessarily the volume of data that is collected, but what the data is.

The biggest point is, ANY data collection has to be opt-in, and it has to be clearly documented, exactly what is being collected and exactly what it is used for - informed decision.

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This can go too far, though. It’s like saying you can order fast food but it’s your choice whether you choose to give the restaurant your order. Some time the business is just about the data, and you have to be clear you’re not getting service AT ALL without giving up the data to provide the service.

Many services are layered… for example how something like Shopify works. Small online operators don’t run their own web stores and payment processors, they farm it out to Shopify. You can see the immense complications that ensue if you expect a small operator to tell Shopify what data they can collect to process and fulfill an order, and it’s not clear that all the constantly moving pieces can be aware of all the changes to keep all the users informed.

I’m all for informed consent, but I don’t know what the proper experience looks like when you have different providers poorly integrated trying to pretend to be one site/service. I don’t think I would want to negotiate with each sub-contractor in person, but neither can I imagine how you enforce varying levels of choice between multiple sub-contractors who may be in multiple countries and subject to multiple different regulation regimes.


I think the EU model is the best we currently have. You have to obtain permission to collect and store the data. You cannot obtain more than the minimum data required to carry out the current action / transaction. You must delete the data in timely manner, when it is no longer required. You cannot use the data for purposes other than those which you stated at the time of collection. You cannot share or sell the information with / to third parties without the express, written permission of the data subject.

Exceptions are things like invoice data, which have to be kept for 10 years. Log data, on the other hand has to be anonymized and deleted after a short period of time (1 days to a month is usual), exceptions are allowed after a breach of security, to allow digital forensics.

Every January, our sales and purchasing departments, for example, have to go through their email and data archives and delete all information older than 10 years (paper records as well). Personnel has to delete all applicants’ information after 6 weeks, if they are not considered for a position.

As to the data leaving the country of origin, it can only be exported to a country with equivalent levels of data protection, such as Japan, some of the nordic countries, but not the USA, for example.


Dobie Gillis was not a beatnik. He was a whitebread teen. He had a bongo playing, poetry reading beatnik friend named Maynard G Krebs. Krebs was played by Bob Denver who went on to star as Gilligan on Gilligan’s Island.


After months of listening since Ant joined I have to say that I am having a real problem as he talks to Mr Laporte, Mr Jarvis, Mr Elgin etc but Miss Stacey. She is no less knowledgeable, articulate or deserving of respect than the male hosts and guests.

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I don’t think @ant_pruitt is meaning to imply any disrespect, but he may not be making the distinction between Miss and Ms. (One being pronounced like “miss” and one like “mizz”.)


None of the co-host feel I am disrespectful to them when I address them. Including Miss(es) Stacey.


I must say, I’ve never heard you being disrespectful to @gigastacey. I think it is just a regional turn of phrase, which is meant to show respect, it is old fashioned these days and “quaint” (I don’t mean that in a negative way); but I think it is a nice way of addressing people and does show respect.


And you’ll never hear me disrespect her. :slightly_smiling_face:
THANK YOU, sir. Just gonna keep being me.



This isn’t about respect. Of course you respect the cohosts, and they respect you. But the honorifics you use have a long history denoting power imbalances. Think master-servant, master-slave, older -younger children, male-female, Black-White. Using them in what should be a group of equals, to my mind, makes male and female unequal and puts you below your co-hosts. That’s my view for you to consider and chew on.

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“Mister” and “miss(es)” are equal when spoken by me. No comparison to master-slave, older-younger etc.

Interesting point, though. But if I know your name, I address as mister or miss.

I’ve gotten crap about that in the past as some have presumed I’m joking or brown nosing. Of course, those making those assumptions didn’t know me.

What’s been a new effort for me is in this area where I now reside, is having to be mindful and not assume someone identifies as a ma’am or sir. I don’t want to offend anyone.


Ant is just a proper southern gentleman. Unfortunately, he’s no longer in the south…

Ant, just be you :slight_smile:





Maybe, if one day we meet in person, we can continue this discussion, as it is too complex to do in a chat.


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I never thought you meant disrespect, Ant, but I have always found it noticeable that the men are addressed by an honorific and their last name and the women (particularly Stacey in this case) are an honorific and their first name. As a female - which I understand most of the audience is not - I can tell you that it gives the feel that women and children are in the same class and men are something more.

All of us have habits dating back to our childhood that may have been grounded in traditions we don’t really intend to advance.

I don’ t think it is wrong to call attention to this habit you have which I am sure you intend as a show of respect. You are a gentle soul and this comes through over the digital airwaves. Did you ever question why it is so natural to refer to women by their first name and men by their last? As time goes by I find myself questioning my assumptions all the time…


Good question and thanks for clarifying. Interesting.

Honestly, it’s pretty interchangeable with me. I know that there are some women and men I say their first name vs their last name. Not sure why, actually. Miss Laporte, for one. I don’t ever recall saying “Miss Lisa.” Mr. Burke is another. I know for sure I’ve never referenced his last name. Mr. JammerB, as well.

I smile as I type this. Never noticed it, but I’m thinking back over the handful of relationships I have and it’s an interesting mix of some having their first name reference vs their last name vs BOTH.

Yep. I’m a “different one,” apparently. At least when it comes to speaking with people :laughing:

THANKS for the kind words, too.


Thanks @BackinPhilly that makes much more sense. The first post just mentioned that he was using Mr. and Miss.

To be honest, I hadn’t realised that he was using surnames for (some of) the men and Stacey’s forename.

That said, maybe that is part of living in Germany. You generally call strangers and people more senior to yourself by their surname and you call your friends by first name (the verb declination is also different). Therefore it isn’t demeaning to call somebody by their first name, it is a sign that you like the person and are friends with the person. You always use the surname until the more senior (age or position) offers you the “Dutzen” - the use of Du instead of Sie for “you”.


After seconds of reading this post, I have to say I’m having a real problem with people who desperately look for something, anything to be offended by!! Please…

Just be you, the person we have come to know and respect, Mr Ant Pruitt