TWIG 788: Sausages in the Mist

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Well, that was one of the most entertaining TWIG shows I’ve heard in a long time. That Ed Zitron is quite a character. At one point, everyone was talking over each other left and right. Well, the guys were. Emily stepped back and let the boys be boys during those melee’s. The topics were really interesting.

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I appreciate Ed’s perspective, especially during the Taylor Lorenz conversation.

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I never understand the argument that we should let the Internet go to hell, before we look at legislation.

In most other branches, regulations are put in place to protect customers. I work in the chemical industry and we have vast numbers of regulations - I am currently going through nearly 40 training units on diverse legally required subjects, from drink driving, through IT workplace to how to walk and carry things and how to work in confined spaces with chemicals and secure disposal of chemical waste.

Why should AI, or crypto currency for that matter, be any different? AI has a lot of scope for causing distress and harming people, let alone other businesses. Why shouldn’t AI companies be required to keep within certain guidelines?

I found the printing press argument from Jeff a little off. Surely, whilst the author might be liable for the authoring of, say, child pr0n, surely the printer has a part-liability, if they knowingly publish it? They should have looked at the material and said, “no, sorry, that is illegal, we won’t print that!” Probably they also have a legal requirement to report such attempts to publish to the authorities as well - certainly they would share part of the liability with the author in Europe.

Likewise, the argument that the Constitution is sacrosanct, is something that I always feel is bogus. It was written hundreds of years ago and the world has changed dramatically since then. Also, the 2nd Amendment, for example was written during a time of civil unrest, but it has been expanded to cover automatic weapons, at least in legal precedents, as far as I am aware. What civilian needs a fully automatic weapon in modern society? Heck, what civilian needs a weapon at all, in a civilized society?

I live in a country where guns aren’t (generally) allowed, other than at gun clubs (where the guns are also generally stored) or hunting rifles. Apart from police officers (and I’ve never witnessed one draw their service weapon), I’ve never seen anybody with a gun and I’ve never heard a gunshot up close, the nearest I’ve heard are hunters in the woods a few miles away.

Those that want to hunt or use guns at a gun club also have to go through psychological testing, before they will be given a gun license. I find that very reassuring.

In Germany the police fire less rounds per year than the officers in the San Bernadino shootings did at that one incident…

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Finally got around to watching this episode. Quit at about 45 minutes. An occasional curse word doesn’t bother me. Even thought it supposedly indicates intelligence, I won’t listen.

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Ya, it was pretty bad, agreed.

Ed thinks it’s so hard to make friends, after listening to this episode, I understand why that is.

No need to be mean. These aren’t YouTube comments.

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I appreciate Ed’s comments in the Lorenz discussion. But yeah, old school media or any media probably ain’t keen on their staff becoming their own brand. At least that’s my opinion

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But they can be mean on the show?

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Welcome to This Week in the THUNDERDOME!!

Heated discussions like this show me just how passionate people are about the subject matter. Things might’ve gotten a little spicy, but that can happen between friends. I thought this was a great episode!

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I know stirring the pot can be engaging, but I found Ed Zitron’s arrogance really off-putting. He’s so wrong about the value proposition for AI and so poorly informed, yet so sure he knows better than anybody else, including domain experts. Ignorance might be bliss, but not for the people that have to hear you spouting off.

I have to give kudos to Leo who, as usual, was such a voice of reason and moderation.

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