# TWIG 715: Illegal Use of Whipped Cream **URL:** \ **Category:** This Week In Google\ **Tags:** episode\ **Created:** [May 11, 2023, 4:06am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647 "2023-05-11T04:06:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Leo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/leo/32/16203_2.png) [@Leo](https://www.twit.community/u/Leo)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 4:06am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/1 "2023-05-11T04:06:13Z")
Beep boop - this is a robot. A new show has been posted to TWiT… > **[Illegal Use of Whipped Cream | TWiT.TV](https://twit.tv/shows/this-week-in-google/episodes/715)** > > Everything announced at I/OGoogle I/O KeynoteGoogle Search in Google Labs and Project TailwindsWhat Really Made Geoffrey Hinton Into an AI DoomerWhat Really Made Geoffrey Hinton In… What are your thoughts about today’s show? We’d love to hear from you! ---
**Author:** ![PaulSK](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/paulsk/32/16819_2.png) [@PaulSK](https://www.twit.community/u/PaulSK)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 5:25am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/2 "2023-05-11T05:25:07Z")
So @Leo and crew, do you think Google have done enough to catch up with the others or did it look like a giant scramble to throw AI at everything to see if it has anything anyone really wants. I may be an old saddo, but I can’t imagine having the time to fart around with an AI assisted text app, ---
**Author:** ![PaulSK](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/paulsk/32/16819_2.png) [@PaulSK](https://www.twit.community/u/PaulSK)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 12:24pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/3 "2023-05-11T12:24:31Z")
I am having a really hard time trying to understand the difference between these ‘new’ limited language models and Expert systems, particularly with things like Microsofts tools for building FAQs, you throw your text into it and then randomly query it. Can someone tell me the difference? To me it sounds like a poor use of 7 years from Google, or am I hating on them too much? Basically, how does it differ from this which I have used d for the past 6 years [https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/products/cognitive-services](https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/products/cognitive-services) Also built into these [https://www.ez-robot.com/](https://www.ez-robot.com/) ---
**Author:** ![big\_D](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/big_d/32/1023_2.png) [@big\_D](https://www.twit.community/u/big_D)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 12:51pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/4 "2023-05-11T12:51:35Z")
They just changed the buzz words. Expert Systems are so 1980s. ---
**Author:** ![PaulSK](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/paulsk/32/16819_2.png) [@PaulSK](https://www.twit.community/u/PaulSK)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 1:04pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/5 "2023-05-11T13:04:28Z")
So it’s really nothing new, same poop, different smell 😁 Paul Smith-Keitley Adobe Creative Educator ---
**Author:** ![Jamze](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/jamze/32/3151_2.png) [@Jamze](https://www.twit.community/u/Jamze)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 7:23pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/6 "2023-05-11T19:23:16Z")
Seems the Pixel 7a suffers the same issue Samsung has always had with their FEs now they’ve bumped up the price by $50. Best Buy has the Pixel 7 for $499. ---
**Author:** ![PaulSK](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/paulsk/32/16819_2.png) [@PaulSK](https://www.twit.community/u/PaulSK)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 1:58pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/7 "2023-05-12T13:58:23Z")
Just thinking of Kochava, isn’t that what Google does with Android already? (admittedly it’s bad at it but if it tracks where it thinks I’ve been I am sure it finds a way to monetize it!) ---
**Author:** ![jbattman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jbattman](https://www.twit.community/u/jbattman)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/8 "2023-05-12T18:05:42Z")
This talk about AI not always being right, but its users completely trusting the output reminds me of the movie Minority Report. Just thinking that the system in place has no fault is dangerous. When we get AI fact checking AI, then we are good. /s ---
**Author:** ![PHolder](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/pholder/32/2439_2.png) [@PHolder](https://www.twit.community/u/PHolder)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 8:50pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/9 "2023-05-12T20:50:43Z")
> [@jbattman](#): > > When we get AI fact checking AI, then we are good. /s How does that riddle go: Everything I say is a lie. I am lying. ---
**Author:** ![Jamze](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/jamze/32/3151_2.png) [@Jamze](https://www.twit.community/u/Jamze)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 3:01pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/10 "2023-05-13T15:01:41Z")
The pricing of the tablet is a bit odd here in the UK and Europe. Loss-leader in the US to get established? Not US sales tax, 'cos the Pixel 7a prices are different and what I was expecting. Pixel Tablet - $499 £599 €679 Pixel 7a - $499 £449 €509 ---
**Author:** ![PHolder](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/pholder/32/2439_2.png) [@PHolder](https://www.twit.community/u/PHolder)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 4:28pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/11 "2023-05-13T16:28:10Z")
> [@Jamze](#): > > Pixel 7a prices are different Interesting. I assume they’re actually willing to make less on the 7a on the assumption they will sell more, because they need it to look successful and they can make more of user data from a phone than from a tablet. ---
**Author:** ![Leo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/leo/32/16203_2.png) [@Leo](https://www.twit.community/u/Leo)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/12 "2023-05-13T19:26:46Z")
The difference is Kochava (and other data brokers) SELL that info to anyone. Google, Facebook, and Apple have the information but they keep it to themselves/ ---
**Author:** ![Leo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/leo/32/16203_2.png) [@Leo](https://www.twit.community/u/Leo)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 7:31pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/13 "2023-05-13T19:31:01Z")
Also known as the Russellian Class Paradox. And it’s a conundrum. “If the barber in a town shaves everyone who doesn’t shave themselves, who shaves the barber?” > **[Russell's paradox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_paradox)** > > In mathematical logic, Russell's paradox (also known as Russell's antinomy) is a set-theoretic paradox published by the British philosopher and mathematician Bertrand Russell in 1901. Russell's paradox shows that every set theory that contains an unrestricted comprehension principle leads to contradictions. The paradox had already been discovered independently in 1899 by the German mathematician Ernst Zermelo. However, Zermelo did not publish the idea, which remained known only to Da According t... > **[Barber paradox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barber_paradox)** > > The barber paradox is a puzzle derived from Russell's paradox. It was used by Bertrand Russell as an illustration of the paradox, though he attributes it to an unnamed person who suggested it to him. The puzzle shows that an apparently plausible scenario is logically impossible. Specifically, it describes a barber who is defined such that he both shaves himself and does not shave himself, which implies that no such barber exists. > The barber is the "one who shaves all those, and those only, who d... ---
**Author:** ![PaulSK](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/paulsk/32/16819_2.png) [@PaulSK](https://www.twit.community/u/PaulSK)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 7:52pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/14 "2023-05-13T19:52:11Z")
I am not an Apple fan by a long way, but for a reading on the plane and naff games to waste I have an iPad, Liz runs her business empire on a tablet, but it is a Surface Pro. Android tablets are like unicycles - limited use, on limited tasks, but very few people want one!!! ---
**Author:** ![PaulSK](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/paulsk/32/16819_2.png) [@PaulSK](https://www.twit.community/u/PaulSK)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/15 "2023-05-13T19:57:37Z")
I can see the Wendy’s hack now, people ordering food in Petaluma, food being made in Miami 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Jamze](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/jamze/32/3151_2.png) [@Jamze](https://www.twit.community/u/Jamze)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 7:59pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/16 "2023-05-13T19:59:06Z")
> [@PaulSK](#): > > limited use, on limited tasks I know this is the consensus, never really understood it though. Mine runs Office365. Used all the time when I travel and can’t be bothered to take the PC. ---
**Author:** ![PhilAdcock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/philadcock/32/20674_2.png) [@PhilAdcock](https://www.twit.community/u/PhilAdcock)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 9:14pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/17 "2023-05-13T21:14:34Z")
I have an iPad, my ex wife had an Android Tablet, we both live in different eco systems 😉 anyhow the ipad is use far more than the android tablet is ever used. I’m not saying it’s because it’s a better operating system. My wife just doesn’t see that the tablet adds any more value to her life that her phone doesn’t offer. I use my to consume media more than anything. I find the tablet offers a size that feels more comfort to look at while mobile. I drive a bus for a local nursing home, and while most of my commutes are local in nature and I’m not more than 20 minutes from the facility, there are trips that are 1+ hours away and I wait at the office for the appointment to conclude. Sometimes 4+ hours. On these days I take my iPad with me and consume my shows and will occasionaly respond to messages on my phone. So I can keep watching my show with out having to launch another app or lose part of my screen real estate. I say all that to say, in my personal life experience more people use iPads than will admit to using an Android tablet. ---
**Author:** ![PaulSK](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/paulsk/32/16819_2.png) [@PaulSK](https://www.twit.community/u/PaulSK)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2023, 5:00am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/18 "2023-05-14T05:00:57Z")
I agree, although my wife uses amazon fire devices in the nurseries as they 1/10 the price of an iPad, they only need a browser and are just as durable in that environment ---
**Author:** ![PaulSK](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/paulsk/32/16819_2.png) [@PaulSK](https://www.twit.community/u/PaulSK)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2023, 9:00am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/19 "2023-05-14T09:00:03Z")
Google at least, indirectly sells it to third parties by using it to enhance the sales of their ads Paul Smith-Keitley Adobe Creative Educator ---
**Author:** ![corgihuahua\_butler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/corgihuahua_butler/32/14614_2.png) [@corgihuahua\_butler](https://www.twit.community/u/corgihuahua_butler)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2023, 1:37am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647/20 "2023-05-15T01:37:18Z")
Waiting for Google to let me select a specific document or group of documents as a dataset so I can ask their AI things like “generate a paragraph in my writing style” or “write a paragraph to follow this one” or “write a transition from this paragraph to the one below.” Goodbye, writer’s block! [Next page](https://www.twit.community/t/twig-715-illegal-use-of-whipped-cream/14647.md?page=2)