# Brave Browser Commits Trust Suicide **URL:** \ **Category:** Software\ **Tags:** episode\ **Created:** [June 9, 2020, 1:07pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076 "2020-06-09T13:07:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![IdeaMan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/ideaman/32/20545_2.png) [@IdeaMan](https://www.twit.community/u/IdeaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 1:07pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/1 "2020-06-09T13:07:58Z")
Tried Brave, wasn’t really for me. Now I know I’m never going back. Eich keeps changing his story from, “Hey, what’s wrong with us making a little extra money (for redirecting you to crypto sites against your will)?” to… “…we made a mistake. It looks like we need to fix it.” Ugh. > **[Privacy browser Brave under fire for violating users’ trust - Decrypt](https://decrypt.co/31522/crypto-brave-browser-redirect)** > > The Chromium-based browser, Brave has been profiting from redirect links to affiliate crypto companies. ---
**Author:** ![PaulHutch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@PaulHutch](https://www.twit.community/u/PaulHutch)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/2 "2020-06-09T13:56:07Z")
No surprise to me, based on Eich’s past actions (spending his money to help take away already granted civil rights from CA LGBTQ citizens based on his religious beliefs) he is not someone I would ever trust. Since he heads the organization, the organization is one I would never trust. ---
**Author:** ![tekdrudge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/tekdrudge/32/16638_2.png) [@tekdrudge](https://www.twit.community/u/tekdrudge)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/3 "2020-06-09T21:00:46Z")
I’ve gone away from Brave myself, but this is the first I have heard of this. I went back to Chrome, but I have to say that Microsofts (Chr)Edge is looking really good. If browser makers know what is good for them, privacy should be the number one concern at the moment. The landscape is changing and they need to get on board. ---
**Author:** ![knewman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/knewman/32/1153_2.png) [@knewman](https://www.twit.community/u/knewman)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/4 "2020-06-10T00:38:00Z")
Never used it; I always thought there was a little too much happening in the background for what is simply a browser. Now it looks like there’s too much going on in the foreground as well. All browsers - just show me the sites! ---
**Author:** ![big\_D](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/big_d/32/1023_2.png) [@big\_D](https://www.twit.community/u/big_D)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 6:23am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/5 "2020-06-10T06:23:42Z")
Interestingly, the link @IdeaMan linked to is wrong. First off, I’m not a Brave user, so I’ve got no reason to defend them. It isn’t redirecting/replacing search links to affiliate links. According to Brave, it was down to 2 bugs, but who knows, but it _never_ replaced links on web pages that users clicked on. 1. It was only when the user typed into the address bar, it was suggesting a Brave affiliate link as an alternative. That should be off by default and is an option the user can turn on. Brave said that this was somehow on by default, the behaviour has now been corrected. 2. A bug in the address bar handling was offering up the affiliate link as the default, instead of what the user entered, which shouldn’t have happened. Bug should now be fixed. Point of interest, I’ve had 2) happen to me using Chrome and Edge, in that they have overridden my typed string with their suggestion, so it might not have been malicious. If it really was a bug, as they say, that is bad enough. If they are covering up company policy by claiming it was a bug, that needs a hefty wrist slap and it was not a good decision. On the other hand, most of the reporting I’ve read has blown this out of proportion, claiming it was changing links in search results, for example, which allegedly was not the case. So it looks like the blogosphere misreported it, whether because they misunderstood the problem or because they wanted a more sensational story is unclear. > **[Brave soz about coding snafu that sent search queries to affiliate links but...](https://www.theregister.com/2020/06/09/brave_affiliate_links_bug/)** > > Sustainable revenue is hard for privacy-focused browser ---
**Author:** ![IdeaMan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/ideaman/32/20545_2.png) [@IdeaMan](https://www.twit.community/u/IdeaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/6 "2020-06-10T13:15:23Z")
Doesn’t matter at this point. The damage is done. And either way, they have work to do. ---
**Author:** ![big\_D](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/big_d/32/1023_2.png) [@big\_D](https://www.twit.community/u/big_D)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 2:20pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/7 "2020-06-10T14:20:16Z")
My problem is that the blogosphere didn’t check their facts and made a mountain out of a molehill. I’m not a Brave user, so I’m not defending them here, and they did do something bad. But what they did is orders of magnitude less than what was reported by some less serious sites and some that should have known better / checked their facts before publishing. The problem would have caused Brave reputation damage, but the sensationalist reporting makes it sound much worse and causes a lot more damage to their reputation than they probably deserve. That is one of the big problems with the modern “Chinese Whispers” method of reporting that many blogs do, they see one blog report something and throw out something themselves as quickly as they can, with a more sensational headline than the previous blog and, because “time matters”, when it comes to getting their click-revenue, they don’t even bother to check whether what they are reporting is correct, let alone whether they is actually any truth in their reporting at all. ---
**Author:** ![cousinofjah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/cousinofjah/32/11726_2.png) [@cousinofjah](https://www.twit.community/u/cousinofjah)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/8 "2020-06-10T19:14:13Z")
Could perhaps part of the outrage be the alleged shifting stories coming from someone whose credibility was already questionable? ---
**Author:** ![Computeforloot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/computeforloot/32/7598_2.png) [@Computeforloot](https://www.twit.community/u/Computeforloot)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/9 "2020-06-10T19:37:34Z")
I use Safari…lots of trust in it, its fast and performs great! I use Firefox as my backup browser on occasion ---
**Author:** ![CleVeRFeLLa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/cleverfella/32/8015_2.png) [@CleVeRFeLLa](https://www.twit.community/u/CleVeRFeLLa)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/10 "2020-06-11T01:39:28Z")
Yeah not a Brave fan, Always pinned my CPU … seems to correlate. something funny is going on under the hood of Brave. seems shady to me. ---
**Author:** ![MrDoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MrDoh](https://www.twit.community/u/MrDoh)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 9:15am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/11 "2020-06-11T09:15:30Z")
Used Brave for some time, and just got tired of all the problems I ran into with it. Went to Firefox, using duckduckgo search engine, and doing fine. Just added NextDNS for “DNS over https” for a little more of an illusion of privacy :-). ---
**Author:** ![russell1066](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@russell1066](https://www.twit.community/u/russell1066)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/12 "2020-06-11T20:18:27Z")
I tried to switch to Edge (for Mac) from Brave but gave up for a couple of reasons (a) it was REALLY slow and (b) I could not get it to keep me logged in to certain sites even though it did retain logins for other sites. I have issues with Brave but relatively minor. Support is pretty much non-existent. Have yet to find the ideal browser. ---
**Author:** ![knewman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/knewman/32/1153_2.png) [@knewman](https://www.twit.community/u/knewman)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/13 "2020-06-11T20:35:24Z")
> [@IdeaMan](#): > > Doesn’t matter at this point. The damage is done. And either way, they have work to do. I really wish it would matter. At least now I know not to read this publication or author. ---
**Author:** ![pcguy8088](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@pcguy8088](https://www.twit.community/u/pcguy8088)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/14 "2020-06-15T14:23:59Z")
One of Brave’s marketing points that they repeatedly mention it that the end user is first and foremost and their privacy is key. I used Brave for a while on Windows10. I initially used it back in Nov/December 2018 but discovered an issue with it that took them a year to fix it. So I went to back to Firefox during that time. While I was using it support via their community was responsive which I liked. I monitored the bug report on GitHub and there was no indication that this particular but was fixed. A year later I happen to discover a new setting that fixed the issue so back to Brave however like before I found another issue which I reported via their community page and garnered some initial response from Brave support. Then subsequent replied by me and others went unanswered. I gave up on Brave since this issue was not present in Chrome or MS Edge Chromium which I am currently using without issues. It seems to me that Brave has spread themselves too thin and are constantly putting out fires with BAT token payment issues, with tokens disappearing or other issues. I simply want a browser that works and that is reliable. I am not interested in BAT or crypto payments for watching ads which seems to be why some people soley use Brave to make money. ---
**Author:** ![MsHappyBytes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/mshappybytes/32/939_2.png) [@MsHappyBytes](https://www.twit.community/u/MsHappyBytes)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/15 "2020-06-15T14:35:26Z")
I love Safari for Sh-Cmd-R ---
**Author:** ![alexhoward](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/alexhoward/32/143_2.png) [@alexhoward](https://www.twit.community/u/alexhoward)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/16 "2020-06-15T20:18:07Z")
I went with Brave for awhile after Leo started using it as a way to shift away from Google a bit. I liked the built-in Tor browser as well, plus I could use all the Chrome extensions. I kept having problems between it and Slack that seemed to cause some kind of video problem and the CPU usage of Slack was just bananas. There are a number of extensions that I really need for working with AWS. I switched to Firefox after Leo switched away from Brave (just before they were a sponsor) and have been pretty satisfied. I don’t have the performance issues, get all the extensions I need, and they’re a privacy-focused organization. ---
**Author:** ![SamGreenwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/samgreenwood/32/16086_2.png) [@SamGreenwood](https://www.twit.community/u/SamGreenwood)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 12:57am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/18 "2020-06-21T00:57:42Z")
I compared Brave’s performance to other browsers here’s what I found. GPU over-utilization and excessive RAM use seem to be my biggest problems with it. But in past tests, I found that Brave is compatible to the big 3 browsers in every category. ![Screen Shot 2020-06-20 at 8.52.07 PM](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/twit/original/2X/d/d0f37d036ec7c3cad1d0c1fb23e5c4c165087b85.png) ---
**Author:** ![CleVeRFeLLa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/cleverfella/32/8015_2.png) [@CleVeRFeLLa](https://www.twit.community/u/CleVeRFeLLa)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 2:32am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/19 "2020-06-21T02:32:22Z")
Vivaldi browser preforms really well on my System , I don"t trust Brave or opera at all. I use Firefox,Vivaldi,Chrome and on Windows I like the new Edge. About the only thing Microsoft is getting right theses days IMHO. what ever works for you though. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![CleVeRFeLLa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/cleverfella/32/8015_2.png) [@CleVeRFeLLa](https://www.twit.community/u/CleVeRFeLLa)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 3:00am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/20 "2020-06-21T03:00:58Z")
“illusion of privacy” x-) Love it! lol ---
**Author:** ![phandrens](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/www.twit.community/phandrens/32/1364_2.png) [@phandrens](https://www.twit.community/u/phandrens)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 4:54am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076/21 "2020-06-21T04:54:15Z")
I tried Brave for a while, but found issues, and now use Firefox a bit more often that Safari. Safari is lighter on resources on the Mac, but breaking Ublock Origin took away a trustworthy privacy tool. And Firefox has a better bookmark bar, I rely on the site icons a lot! Enjoy. [Next page](https://www.twit.community/t/brave-browser-commits-trust-suicide/7076.md?page=2)