# Apple is Introducing Trust No One e2e Encryption
**URL:** https://www.twit.community/t/apple-is-introducing-trust-no-one-e2e-encryption/13577
**Category:** iOS
**Created:** [December 8, 2022, 4:46am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/apple-is-introducing-trust-no-one-e2e-encryption/13577 "2022-12-08T04:46:03Z")
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### Author:  [@Joe](https://www.twit.community/u/Joe)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2022, 4:46am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/apple-is-introducing-trust-no-one-e2e-encryption/13577/1 "2022-12-08T04:46:03Z")
> **[Advanced Data Protection for iCloud](https://support.apple.com/guide/security/advanced-data-protection-for-icloud-sec973254c5f/web)**
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> iCloud uses best-in-class security technologies and employs strict policies to protect user data, including end-to-end encryption for 14 data categories such as Health, passwords in iCloud Keychain, and more.
I’m glad that they’re rolling this out. Privacy advocates have been clamoring for it for quite some time. The additional announcement that they’re abandoning CSAM scanning is another win for privacy advocates.
> **[Apple Kills Its Plan to Scan Your Photos for CSAM. Here’s What’s Next](https://www.wired.com/story/apple-photo-scanning-csam-communication-safety-messages/)**
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> The company plans to expand its Communication Safety features, which aim to disrupt the sharing of child sexual abuse material at the source.
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### Author:  [@selovell](https://www.twit.community/u/selovell)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2022, 5:02am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/apple-is-introducing-trust-no-one-e2e-encryption/13577/2 "2022-12-08T05:02:23Z")
The Advanced Data Protection for iCloud is a significant announcement. I think making it opt in is important since it has significant implications. Encrypted is important for data that you would rather lose than to have stolen. However, for many users, it would be catastrophic if they were to lose access to their data and will decide not to turn it on.
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### Author:  [@Joe](https://www.twit.community/u/Joe)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2022, 3:15pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/apple-is-introducing-trust-no-one-e2e-encryption/13577/3 "2022-12-08T15:15:26Z")
Agreed. One potential security caveat that comes to mind regarding iMessage is that there is no way to know whether the recipients you’re talking to have Advanced Data Protection enabled.
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### Author:  [@big\_D](https://www.twit.community/u/big_D)
#### Post date: [December 9, 2022, 5:25am UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/apple-is-introducing-trust-no-one-e2e-encryption/13577/4 "2022-12-09T05:25:19Z")
Don’t you have to swap the public key in person, over Facetime or some other channel, in order to ensure that both sides are fully trusted. This is similar to the way Threema works, BTW.
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### Author:  [@Joe](https://www.twit.community/u/Joe)
#### Post date: [December 9, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://www.twit.community/t/apple-is-introducing-trust-no-one-e2e-encryption/13577/5 "2022-12-09T14:53:38Z")
Yeah. I’m referring to the eventual backups made on the other end. This doesn’t apply if the recipient has disabled backups entirely or has Advanced Data Protection enabled.